-What do Jehovah’s Witnesses believe about the Trinity, Jesus, & Salvation?
What Do Jehovah’s Witnesses Believe About The Trinity?
The teachings of the “International Bible Students and the Jehovah’s Witnesses.” Charles Taze Russell said: “How strange that any should attempt to misuse and pervert these our Lord’s words, to make them support the unreasonable and unscriptural doctrine of a Trinity, – three Gods in one person.” (Atonement Between God and Man/ Studies In The Scriptures Vol. 5, page 76, 1912) J.F. Rutherford said: “That there are three gods in one; God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit, all there equal in power, substance and eternity. If you ask a clergyman what is meant by the trinity he says: “That is a mystery.” He does not know, and no one else knows, because it is false. Never was there a more deceptive doctrine advanced than that of the trinity. It could have originated only in one mind, and that the mind of Satan the Devil.” (Reconciliation, page 101, 1928) The Jehovah’s Witnesses of today say: “Trinity is defined as three gods in one. God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit, all three equal in power, substance and eternity.” (Let God Be True, page 100, 1946) The above statements do not truly state what Christians believe. They are not accurately teaching what Christians believe about the Tri-Unity of God being three persons in the one God or they truly have not being given an accurate definition and explanation of what the Trinity is. The word Trinity is not in the Bible, but the doctrine is. The word Monotheism (belief in one God) is not in the Bible, but the doctrine is. Throughout the Scriptures God has revealed Himself not in reference to being one in person but one in unity. In Genesis 1:1 it states, “And God created the heavens and the earth”, and continuing on to verses 26-27, God then identifies Himself both in the singular and plural. The Scriptures state that God said let Us make man in Our image, and after Our likeness, thus showing God being not one in person but one in unity. In the very first Chapter of the Bible God has revealed Himself not one in person but in unity, and throughout the Scriptures God has revealed Himself both in the singular and plural. One of the common objections is in Deuteronomy 6:4 where it says: “Hear O Israel, the LORD our God is one LORD.” Jehovah’s Witnesses and others state here God is shown only to be one in person, and therefore the Trinity cannot be true in any sense. The fact is that in this verse the composite unity of God is being shown, that means this verse does not state God is one in person but rather one in unity. The Hebrew word here is ‘Echad’ which is used throughout the Old Testament, such as Genesis 1:5, Genesis 2:24, Ezra 2:64, Ezekiel 37:17 & Ezekiel 37:22; which states the day and night are ‘one’ day, the man and woman will become ‘one’ flesh, the whole assembly was ‘one’, and the two kingdoms will become ‘one’ nation. The Hebrew word ‘Echad’ which is the word ‘one’ does not mean one in absolute number but in reference to a composite unity. If God truly wanted to tell us He is one in reference to being one person than God would of inspired the prophets to use the Hebrew word ‘Yachid’ which does mean literally one in number, however that word is not used in reference to God being one in person. Other Scriptures that demonstrate the composite unity of God: Genesis 11:7 “Let Us go down”, Genesis 19:24 “The LORD rained fire and brimstone on Sodom and Gomorrah from the LORD out of heaven”, Amos 4:10-11 shows that God is not one in person, Isaiah 48:12-16 shows the nature of God being triune. The New Testament demonstrates that the Father, the Son (Jesus), and the Holy Spirit are all distinct personages from one another, and all are identified as being God. The Father is called God – Jude 1:1; Jesus is called God – Isaiah 9:6/ John 1:1-3 & John 1:14-18/ John 20:28/ 2 Peter 1:1; Holy Spirit is called God – Acts 5:3-4/ 1 Corinthians 12:4-6 1 Corinthians 12:11 &1 Corinthians 12:18/ Hebrews 10:15-18. The Father and the Son are clearly identified as distinct persons in John 1:1-3 & John 1:14-18 & John 17:5, and the Holy Spirit is identified as an distinct person from the Father and the Son in John 14:16-17 & John 15:26 &John 16-7-15, as well as in Acts 13:2 and 1 Corinthians 12:11. The Tri-Unity of God is both Biblical and logical, and can be understood though not completely with a finite mind. The nature of God is triune yet one of which there seems to be a misunderstanding about the issue of God being one. In everyday life there are many things that are one in nature, but triune in substance. (Egg-shell, white, yoke, three distinct parts all one egg) The body of Christ is one but many members.
What Do Jehovah’s Witnesses Believe About Jesus?
Jehovah’s Witnesses do not understand the nature of Jesus being the Son of God and God at the same time, in which they come to the conclusion that Christians are stating Jesus is literally the Father, which is not what Christians believe. To them Jesus cannot be God if He is the Son of God, therefore it is necessary to briefly share on the identity of Jesus Christ when He was here on earth. John 1:1-3 & John 1:14-18 make it clear that Jesus and the Father are two distinct persons, and it is very important to share that with the Jehovah’s Witnesses. Within those verses the Father is identified as being God, and was in the beginning before anything was created. Jesus is identified as being in the beginning with the Father before anything was created, and was Himself God. When Jesus came to the earth He took on flesh, and dwelt among us, and revealed the message of salvation, hope, truth, who the Father is, who He is, and the Holy Spirit, thus showing the distinction of persons. (John 1:1-3 & John 1:14-18 & John14:16-17 & John 15:26 & John 16:7-15) According to the Apostle Paul Jesus is by nature God, and He humbled Himself for mankind and took on flesh so that He could give His life to reconcile us from our sins. (Philippians 2:5-11, Colossians 1:13-22 & Colossians 2:1-15) When Jesus claimed to be the Son of God the Jews understood Him to be claiming equality with God and wanted to kill Him. (John 5:17-23) The term ‘Son of God’ was a Messianic claim as well: “Our rabbis taught, The Holy One, blessed be He, will say to the Messiah, the son of David (May he reveal himself speedily in our days), ‘Ask of Me anything, and I will give to Thee,’ as it is said (Psalm 2:7,8): ‘I will tell of the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, ‘Thou art My son; this day I have begotten Thee. Ask of Me and I will give the nations for Thine inheritance.'” (Talmud, Sukkah 52a) This is a Jewish Commentary giving the understanding of the Messiah, the Son of God, and it gives clear reference to how the Jews of that day would of understood what Jesus claimed. Finally when Jesus made statements such as “the Father is greater than all” or “the Father is greater than I”,
these statements do not teach Jesus was not God or less than the Father, but that when He came into this world He took on limitations and set aside His glory, and taught people to follow His example. (John 10:29-34 & John 14:28, Romans 8:1-3, Philippians 2:5-11, 1 Peter 2:21-26, 1 John 1:1-4)
The Jehovah’s Witnesses teach that Jesus is the first of God’s creation, and all ‘other’ things came into existence through Jesus: “Jesus, in his pre-human existence, was ‘the firstborn of all creation.’ (Colossians 1:15, NJB) He was ‘the beginning of God’s creation.’ (Revelation 3:14,RS)” (Should You Believe In The Trinity, page 14, 1989) Jesus according to Jehovah’s Witnesses is not the Creator of all, but a part of creation itself, therefore is lesser and is not God. Carefully reading these passages and taking a deeper look within the context it is very clear that Jesus is not being addressed as being created, but rather the very One who created all things: “Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.” (Colossians 1:16-17) Carefully reading these verses it is clear that Jesus is the Creator of all things, and was not created as the Jehovah’s Witnesses are indicating. The term ‘firstborn’ is where they say Jesus was created by God because the word ‘firstborn’ means, “first created.” The word ‘firstborn’ (prototokos) does not mean first created but rather first in rank, preeminence, above all, or as renowned Greek Scholar W.E. Vines put it: “in His relationship to the Father, expressing His priority to, and preeminence over, creation, not in the sense of being the “first” to be born He was the “Firstborn” before all creation and that He Himself produced creation (the genitive case being objective, as ver. 16 makes clear)” (Vine’s Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words/ firstborn) When looking at Revelation 3:14 the context and meaning of the word ‘beginning’ (arche) demonstrates that the Jehovah’s Witnesses are not properly interpreting the Scriptures: “And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God” (Revelation 3:14) This passage of Scripture is not indicating that Jesus is the first of God’s creation, but rather the source or origin for it. The word ‘beginning’ literally means: “beginning, origin the person or thing that commences, the first person or thing in a series, the leader that by which anything begins to be, the origin, the active cause the extremity of a thing, of the corners of a sail, the first place, principality, rule, magistracy, of angels and demons.” (Strongs Greek Lexicon/ beginning) So clearly looking at the text Jesus is not the first of God’s creation but rather the very one who created all things. An added note that if ‘beginning’ (arche) here means to be first in being created implying that Jesus is not eternal, then the Alpha and Omega is not eternal according to Revelation 22:13. (The same Greek word in Revelation 22:13 for ‘beginning’ is also in Revelation 3:14)
The Jehovah’s Witnesses teach that Jesus is none other than Michael the archangel: “The foremost angel, both in power and authority is the archangel, Jesus Christ, also called Michael.” (The Watchtower, Nov. 1, 1995, p. 8) According to Jehovah’s Witnesses Jesus was God’s first creation who is known as Michael the archangel. Is Michael ‘the’ foremost angel, or does Scripture indicate otherwise. In the Jehovah’s Witnesses own Bible the answer is clear which says: “one of the foremost princes”, not the foremost. (New World Translation/ Daniel 10:13) Why is that important? Because in all Bible Translations Daniel 10:13 makes it clear that Michael is not unique or above all others, but has others in the same rank as he is, whereas Jesus is above all and before all. Michael the archangel is one of the many angels Jesus created because Scripture teaches that Jesus created all things on earth and in the heavens, and that includes Michael. No where did Jesus teach He was Michael the archangel, but He did teach that He was the Son of Man (Messiah), the Son of God (Deity in flesh), the Lord of the Sabbath (Above all), that He was sent from the Father as the Savior for all mankind, and many other things. But Jesus never taught He was an angel created by the Father, or that He was Michael which shows the Jehovah’s Witnesses misinterpret the Scriptures on the nature of who Jesus is.
What Do Jehovah’s Witnesses Believe About Salvation or Eternal Life?
The Jehovah’s Witnesses teach that only those who are of their Organization can be saved. That means anyone other than a Jehovah’s Witness can not be saved or have eternal life. A couple quotes: “And while now the witness yet includes the invitation to come to Jehovah’s organization for salvation, the time no doubt will come when the message takes on a harder tone, like a ‘great war cry.'” (The Watchtower Nov. 15, 1981, page 21) “Similarly, Jehovah is using only one organization today to accomplish his will. To receive everlasting life in the earthly Paradise we must identify that organization and serve God as part of it.” (The Watchtower Feb. 15, 1983, page 12) The Jehovah’s Witnesses believe there are two groups that are of God. One group is called the ‘great crowd’ also known as the ‘other sheep,’ which they believe will live forever here on earth (paradise). The other group is called ‘little flock’ also known as the 144,000, which will rule and reign with Jesus in heaven forever: “So the 144,000 are persons who die on earth as humans and are resurrected to heavenly life as spirit creatures, as Jesus was. (Romans 6:5) When compared with the thousands of millions of persons who live on earth, they are, indeed, a ‘little flock.’ However, the ‘little flock’ who go to heaven are not the only ones who receive salvation. As we have seen, they will have happy earthly subjects. Jesus referred to these as his ‘other sheep,’ of whom ‘a great crowd’ are even now serving God faithfully.” (The Truth, That Leads to Eternal Life, 1968 p. 77) Making this simple to understand the Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that those who are truly faithful to the end and are of the ‘other sheep’ (John 10:16) will be resurrected to live forever on Paradise earth, and those who have been chosen by God who are of the 144,000 (Revelation 7:4-8 & Revelation 14:1-5) will be ruling with Jesus Christ in heaven for all eternity. Jehovah’s Witnesses use John 10:16 to indicate a certain group class called ‘other sheep’ or ‘the great crowd’, however John 10:16 does not teach what they want it to say: “I am the good shepherd, and I know My own and My own know Me, even as the Father knows Me and I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep. “I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will hear My voice; and they will become one flock with one shepherd.” (John 10:14-16) In Matthew 10:5 Jesus stated that He came for the lost sheep of Israel, namely the Jews, and as John 1:9-13 & John 3:16-18 indicates Jesus came to His own (Israel) and for the whole world (all nations), but His own rejected Him and to those who did receive Him they became children born of God. In Jesus’ ministry He ministered to the Jews, and at times to the Gentiles, and as Jesus said in Luke 24:44-48 & Matthew 28:19-20 that the Gospel and His teachings are to be proclaimed to all nations. (Jews and Gentiles) Paul states: “For He is our peace, He making us both one, and He has broken down the middle wall of partition between us, having abolished in His flesh the enmity (the Law of commandments contained in ordinances) so that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, making peace between them; and so that He might reconcile both to God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity in Himself.” (Ephesians 2:14-16) The Gospel is for the lost sheep of Israel, and the lost sheep of the Gentiles. The fact is that the two have become one, and are not to be divided, for in Christ we are one body. In reference to the 144,000 in Revelation 7:4-8 & Revelation 14:1-5 these verses do not teach in any that these are the only ones who will go to heaven, rather they speak about how God is going to use them during the Great Tribulation. The Jehovah’s Witnesses do not qualify for being a part of the 144,000, for they must be literally from the 12 tribes, not to be defiled with women, and are to be virgins. Many of the so-called 144,000 in the Jehovah’s Witness Organization are either married or not from one of the 12 tribes. Jehovah’s Witnesses argue that in Revelation 7 it is not a literal tribe but a spiritual, thus saying they are of the spiritual Israel, but then the number of the 144,000 then by definition would also be spiritual and then it is not limited to only a 144,000, thus showing their claims to be false. And in Revelation 14 they say it again is a spiritual purity not physical, and again the same can be said of who is of the 144,000 if this is not to be taken literally.
The Jehovah’s Witnesses place works and faith as the requirement for eternal life, and for one to be truly saved they must be a part of the Jehovah’s Witnesses Organization. In order for a person to become a Jehovah’s Witness they must go through many Bible studies, door to door preaching, and prove themselves that they truly believe that this Organization is truly of God, and agree with it’s teachings. Then they are baptized into the Organization, thus they are now on the train to eternal life if they hold fast to the doctrines and guidance of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. The Bible does not teach that you have to be a part of some Organization, or go through a certain amount of Bible studies to receive eternal life and be saved. The Bible makes it clear that it is very important to know the Jesus of the Bible, and coming to know Him personally, and living for Him forever. (Matthew 16:24-24, 2 Corinthians 13:5) The Scriptures state: “But as many as received Him, He gave to them authority to become the children of God, to those who believe on His name, who were born, not of bloods, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but were born of God…so that whosoever believes in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God so loved the world that He gave His only-begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but so that the world might be saved through Him. He who believes on Him is not condemned, but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only-begotten Son of God…Therefore I said to you that you shall die in your sins, for if you do not believe that I AM, you shall die in your sins…Jesus said to him, I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life; no one comes to the Father but by Me…But these are written so that you might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you might have life in His name.” (John 1:12-13 & John 3:15-18 & John 8:24 & John 14:6 & John 20:31) The Bible teaches that we can know that we will have eternal life, and this is in Christ Jesus, and receiving Him and living for Him. When a person comes to Christ they receive Him as Lord and Savior, the one who died for their sins, and rose again for their justification, and accepting Him as the only way of salvation and committing their lives unto Him. (Luke 24:44-48, Acts 2:22-41 & Acts 3:19-21 & Acts 16:22-33, Romans 3:19-31 & Romans 4:1-5 & Romans 5:5-10 & Romans 6:1-6 & Romans 8:1-39 &Romans 10:9-13, Galatians 2:20-21, James 1:22-27 & James 2:1-26) When a believer in the Lord Jesus dies they go to the very presence of the Lord, and whether or not it is living on earth or in heaven forever is not the issue, but being with the Lord, and there will be a new heavens and new earth and God will dwell with Him people. (Luke 23:43, John 14:1-6, Philippians 1:21-23, 2 Corinthians 5:1-9, Revelation 21-22)
Conclusion
What has been shared here is a brief summary of some of the teachings of the Jehovah’s Witnesses. The main topics when discussing the Bible with Jehovah’s Witnesses are the Trinity, the Deity of Jesus Christ, salvation and the forgiveness of sins. This information was written to show the differences of what Jehovah’s Witnesses and Christians believe concerning who God is and receiving eternal life. There are plenty of good books out there that have many more things concerning Jehovah’s Witnesses, such as their false prophecies, blood transfusions, the New World Translation (their Bible), and many more things. I recommend getting “Kingdom of the Cults” by the late Dr. Walter Martin. If you have any questions about this material or other questions please feel free to ask us.
“Jehovah’s Witnesses do not understand the nature of Jesus being the Son of God and God at the same time…”
I don’t know if any of you read past John 1:1 (In the beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god), but John 1:2 says: This one was in the beginning with God.
Additionally, in the first verse of John, it never states that “the Word” was actually God himself.
“The Word was”
“The Word was with God”
“The Word was a God”
“A God” is not the same thing as “the God” because there is only one true God. Saying that this Scripture implies that Jesus is God puts words in the bible that are not there.
1 Corinthians 8:4 reads: Now concerning the eating of foods offered to idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is no God but one.
1 Corinthians 8: 5, 6 goes on to say more: For even though there are those who are called “gods,” whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods” and many “lords,” there is actually to us one God the Father, out of whom all things are, and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are, and we through him.
One God. One Lord.
Genesis 1:26: And God went on to say: “Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness, and let them have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and the domestic animals and all the earth and every living creature that is moving upon the earth.”
Was God talking to himself? The logical answer to this question, of course, is no.
Luke 3:21, 22: Now when all the people were baptized, Jesus also was baptized and, as he was praying, the heaven was opened up and the holy spirit in bodily shape like a dove came down upon him, and a voice came out of heaven: “You are my Son, the beloved; I have approved you.”
Jesus was baptized and he was praying. To whom? Well, as 1 Corinthians 8:6 says, “there is actually to us one God,” he must’ve been praying to God! And acording to the Trinity Doctrine, he was praying to himself. And, also according to the Trinity Doctrine, he annointed himself. Could he have been a dove annointing his human form on earth and a God voicing his approval all at once?
Why make things difficult? It is clear in the bible that God, Jesus His Son, and the holy spirit are not one.
And as Ronald just proved by his comment, it’s not just what Jehovah’s Witnesses believe and it is definitley not that “Jehovah’s Witnesses do not understand the nature of Jesus being the Son of God and God at the same time.”
It is simply basic Bible teaching along with some common sense.
If Jesus is God…
* How could he be a man, since God is not a man? (Numbers 23:19; Matthew 8:20)
* How could he be the firstborn of all creation if God had no beginning? (1 Chronicles 16:36; Psalm 90:2; Colossians 1:15; Revelation 3:14)
* How could he (God) die? ( Habakkuk 1:12; Luke 23:46)
* Who did he pray to? (Matthew 26:39; Mark 14:35, 36; Luke 6:12)
* Why did Satan call him ‘Son of God’ and not ‘God’? Wouldn’t Satan have known who he really was? (Matthew 4:6)
* Why did he tell Satan that only God was to be worshiped? (Matthew 4:8-10)
* Why didn’t he say only those doing ‘my’ (his) will would enter the kingdom? (Matthew 7:21)
* Why did the demons also call him ‘Son of God’ and not ‘God?’ (Matthew 8:29)
* Who did the people who saw him heal a paralytic child give praise to? Him or God? (Matthew 9:8)
* How could he (Jesus) not know when Armageddon would be, and yet God knows? (Mark 13:32)
* What did the disciples on the boat call him, after he quieted the storm? God or God’s Son? (Matthew 14:33)
* Why didn’t Peter call him God, instead of ‘Son of the living God’ when asked? (Matthew 16:13)
* Why did the chief priests of the Sanhedrin call him ‘Son of God’ when attempting to get Jesus to blaspheme? (Matthew 26:63)
* When he was mocked by the priests at his execution, who did they say he claimed to be? God or God’s Son? (Matthew 27:43)
* Who did the army officer at his execution say he was? God or God’s Son? (Matthew 27:54)
* Who gave him authority? Who is greater? The one who gives authority? Or the one who receives it? (Matthew 9:6-8; Matthew 28:18; John 5:27; John 14:28; John 17:1, 2)
* Why would he say “Abba…remove this cup from me. Yet not what I want, but what you want?” (Mark 14:36)
* How could he (God) be tempted to sin? (Luke 4:1, 2)
* What point would it be for Satan to offer the creator of the universe human kingdoms in exchange for worship? (Luke 4:5-8)
* How could no man ever see God, and yet see Jesus? (John 1:18)
* How could he teach himself? And how could he only do what he initiated himself to do? (John 8:28)
* Why would he say that his glory was nothing compared to his Father? (John 8:54)
* How could he command himself to speak? (John 12:49)
* Was he glorifying himself? Who gave him the work? Did he give it to himself? (John 17:4)
* How could he have a God? (John 20:17; Ephesian 1:17)
* Why would Peter say that “God was with him (Jesus)?” Shouldn’t Peter have instead said that he (Jesus) was God? (Acts 10:38)
* How could he be the head of himself? (1 Corinthians 11:3)
* Who resurrected him on the 3rd day after his death? (1 Corinthians 15:3, 4; 1 Corinthians 15:15)
* How could he offer himself as a sacrifice to himself? (Ephesians 5:2)
These questions strike at the very heart of the trinity, the teachers of which call it the great ‘mystery.’ Babylon the Great, the harlot who rides the scarlet colored beast in the book of Revelation, is a symbolic vision of worldwide false religious teachings, just as the original city of Babylon was a mecca of false religion to the Israelites. We read in Revelation 17:5 that she has a name written on her forehead: “mystery.” Yes, it is true that the teachers of false religion defend mysterious doctrines, such as the trinity. We know such mysticism is not the sign of the one true God.
According to the Prophet Daniel at chapter 2 verse 22, God is: “revealing the deep things and the concealed things.” And again, in verse 28, Daniel explains that: “there exists a God in the heavens who is a Revealer of secrets.” No – God does not keep secrets from us. He desires us to have “an accurate knowledge of truth.” (1 Timothy 2:4) Why? John 17:3 explains: “This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.” In fact, the Bible often uses rays of light to illustrate ‘truth.’ Rays of light which illuminate darkness, making it clear for all to see, and to understand. 1 Peter 2:9 tells us that followers of pure worship have been called “out of darkness into his wonderful light.” The trinity however, has remained a teaching of darkness, lacking in clarity, impossible to comprehend. If we cannot understand what God teaches us, how can we ever acquire an “accurate knowledge of him?” (Ephesians 1:17)
“I continue mentioning YOU in my prayers, that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give YOU a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the accurate knowledge of him”
– Ephesians 1:17
How many times does Jesus say that he is God in the Holy Scriptures? Would it surprise you to hear that the answer is zero? That is absolutely correct! Never once do we hear Jesus claim to be God. Many times, he reveals his close relationship with God in some way; however, not once does he use the words ‘I am God’ or any variation thereof. In fact, there are only two verses in the entire Bible which even come close to saying this: John 1:1, of which we have provided an exhaustive study in part 2, and John 20:28 (discussed below), neither of which are the actual words of Christ or God.
Jesus Had a God
At John 20:17 we read: “Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me. For I have not yet ascended to the Father. But be on your way to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and YOUR Father and to my God and YOUR God.” Jesus refers to God as not just our God, but his as well. How could Jesus both be God and have a God? The answer is clear, just as the rays of light of the truth are. He is not God.
The Greek word pater, translated as Father in this verse suggests a familial, or parental relationship. Certainly Jesus was not his own father was he? Some trinitarians have suggested the idea behind Jesus ascending to his Father is not a literal ascension, but instead refers to a metaphysical conjoinment in which Christ becomes as one with his Father, ascending to a ‘higher level’ so to speak. However, the Greek word translated ascension, anabaino, in no way indicates such a metamorphic act. Instead, anabaino literally translates as: to go up, arise, ascend (up), climb (go, grow, rise, spring) up, come (up). When Christ says he has not yet ascended to his Father, he is saying clearly that he has not ‘gone up’ to the physical location of his Father in heaven, yet.
My Lord and My God!
John 20:28 are the words of Thomas, after putting his hand in the wound of Christ’s side, where he had been stabbed by the spear of a Roman soldier at his execution. At John 20:27, 28 we read: “Next he said to Thomas: “Put your finger here, and see my hands, and take your hand and stick it into my side, and stop being unbelieving but become believing.” In answer Thomas said to him: “My Lord and my God!” Is this conclusive proof that Jesus is God? If it is, it is the only verse in the entire Bible which would say so directly. The fact is that Jesus said he has a God too, just 10 verses earlier in verse 17, to another person who was amazed to see him alive. We can speculate as to who Thomas’ words were directed here. Were they words of amazement, just as one today might shout out ‘Oh My God!?’ Was Thomas even directly referring to Christ, or was he instead referring to God in heaven when he spoke these words of shock? Regardless of the true intent of Thomas’ words, we have the entirety of the Holy Scriptures to give us the context and the true nature of Christ. Directly after John 20:28, in verse 31, we read why John wrote his Gospel: “But these have been written down that YOU may believe that Jesus is the Christ the Son of God.” There are some two hundred occurrences which plainly state that Jesus is the ‘Son of God’, or some variation of that phrase, throughout the New Testament, and not a single one which states just as plainly that he is God; however, these two hundred have been ignored in favor of superstitious traditions and mysteries. The choice is ours – we can either believe in one God, the Father, and the man Christ Jesus, who was his mediator, or we can believe the mysteries of the trinity and false religious teachings. (1 Corinthians 8:6; 1 Timothy 2:5)
Jesus referred to as:
Son of God 47 times
Son of man 86 times
Son# 86 times
God 1* times
# as in God the Father’s Son, or just the Son, etc.
*See “My Lord and My God” subheading above for explanations of these two occurrences.
Some of the people who called Jesus the ‘Son of God:’
The Devil Matthew 4:3, 4:6; Luke 4:3, 4:9
The demons Luke 4:41; Matthew 8:29
God Matthew 3:17
Himself John 5:25, 10:36, 11:4;
His followers Matthew 14:33, 16:13; Galatians 4:6
His human adversaries Matthew 26:63, 27:43; Luke 22:70
Neutral parties Matthew 27:54
*Note – we could provide no such references for those who called Jesus ‘God.’
Hi Ronald,
The doctrine of the trinity is a profound and intensive subject. For those who are truly seeking for truth I’m sure God will easily make this subject understandable by the help of the Holy Spirit. A righteous person is humble enough to admit that he is limited and fallible and that apart from Christ he can do nothing. Jesus Christ the author and finisher of our faith is continually manifesting Himself to us if we seek Him with all our heart & soul. Deut. 4:29… and you will find him if you search for Him with all your heart and all your soul. Matt. 5:6. Blessed are those who humger and thirst for righteousness for they shall be filled. our learning is from glory to glory because we are finite creatures and the one who reveals His Words to us is an infinite being.
Here are some highlights and some insights on the concept of the Trinity which I have learned from scriptures. I made this short and brief hoping that you will have enough time to consider and analyze every statement. i hope and pray that the Lord Jesus Christ who is the Living Word Himself will enlighten you regarding this.
The true being of God as a class or kind of being has no less and no more than three eternally distinct Persons of God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit (Isaiah 48:6; Matt. 28:19-20; Heb. 9:14; etc.). Their Persons are not interchangeable because they are individually unique members or consciously living Persons in that kind of being.
The relationship of the three Persons of the triun God is definitely a kinship relationship not only because the terms Father, Son, and Holy spirit are Biblical terms of kinship but also because of the sameness in their kind or essence of being and because the godhood of one of them is coequal with the godhool of any one of the other two of them (Phils. 2:6)
The Persons/members of the TRINITY have a common Name which is Lord (yahweh in Hebrew and Kurios in Greek) e.g. Psalm 110:1 “The Lord said to My Lord, sit at My right hand till I make Your enemies your footstool; 2Cor. 3:17 “Now the Lord is the Spirit and where the spirit of the Lord is there is liberty”. Since they have the same class of being they also have the same purpose (Eph. 3:11; Gen. 1:26; etc.)
The truth of their being a one kind or class of being that has more than one individual as members and bearers of the qualities inherent in that class is reflected in all of reality. In the world, the truth that certain kind or class exist, is proven by the fact that living creatures such as humans, animals, and plants are ordered by their creator to multiply after their own kind (Gen. 1:3-7). In the biophysical level individuals are to multiply by reproduction of the same kind where what has been reproduced bears the image or characteristics of its proginator (Gen. 1:26-28; Gen. 5:1-3).
It is revealed in the Bible that the true God, even the Son is an infinitely perfect living conscious selfhood (1Jn. 5:20; Isaiah 9:6) that is the replica-image or exact copy of the invisible God (Col. 1:15; John 14:9). Thus the Lord Jesus Christ being God the son is the appearing or visible God (Titus 2:13) but God the Father is the invisible God (Col. 1:15) whom no creature has seen or can see (John 1:18). The selfhood of the Holy Spirit being the eternal Spirit (Heb. 9:14), infinite and good Spirit (Nehemiah 9:20) also belong to the same class of being which is the being of God (Acts. 5:1-4).
According to the Bible affinity or sameness in kind or class or kinship is realized and revealed by Covenant, agreement, by Command or rule, and by Eternal design.
1. By Covenant: Gen. 1:26. Then God said Let us make man in our image according to our likeness . . . Gen. 11:7. Come let us go down . . The multipersonal selves or the plurality of the selfhoods (note the personal pronoun us) of Yahweh Elohim are agreeing or covenanting among themselves.
2. By Command or law: Afinity or sameness, in kind or class is realized and revealed by a command or law that is agreed upon Gen. 1:11-12. Then God said, “Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb … (Biophysically alive creatures on earth are ordered to multiply after their own respective kinds)
3. By Eternal design: Deut. 32:3-4; Eph. 3:11; 1Cor. 1:24) It is eternally designed by the Lord Jesus Christ that the eternal as eternal is continually eternal, and that a circle as a circle is continually a circle and that a square as a square is continually a square, etc…
Since God the Father, God the Son & God the Holy Spirit have affinity, or sameness in being God, thus they are co-equal in godhood (Heb. 1:8; 1Jn. 5:20; Phil 2:5-8 and Acts 5:1-4) and they are in the highest form of love with each other. The Father is the lover, giver and addressor of all to the Son and the Son is the beloved of the Father because the Son has given His all to always do what is pleasing to the Father. For that reason and purpose it is the Son who is the all appropriating all in all as well as the eternal dwelling place of all and the holy Spirit is the love bond and confirmer of the Father’s love for the son. Plase take not of the followng verses as references (Jn. 17:3-5 and 24; Jn. 3:34-35; Jn. 8:28-29; John 5:18-19; Matt. 3;15-17; Heb. 1;8-9; Heb. 9:14; Matt. 22:41-45 and 1Pet. 1:10-12, etc.)
God the Son Jesus is the “I am” (John 5:58; Exodus 6:3) as well as the Eternal Life Himself (1Jn. 5:20) who is the Alpha, the Way, the Truth and the Life and the Omega, the completer and consusmator or finisher of all things (Rev. 1:8; Jn. 14:6; Heb. 12:2) and the only rightful addressee and permanent dwellig place of everyone (Ps. 90:1-2; Acts 17:28).
He, Jesus Christ is also the wisdom and the power of God (1Cor. 1:24), the accomplisher of the eternal purpose (Eph. 3:11), the fulfiller of all the promises of God (2Cor. 1:20), and consumating all in all of the created kinds (Col. 3:11; Eph. 1:9-23) and it is the Son who is doing and asserting His over all Lordship that give glory to the Father (Phil. 2:5-11) and carry out the reality of the Persons, presence and work of the Holy Spirit (1Cor. 12:3).
It is agreed upon or covenanted by the TRIUN God that all their works concerning all of creation, provided, preserved, headed, judged, redeemed, sanctified and glorified by God the Son Jesus Christ Himself and not of God the Father, and not of God the Holy Spirit although all these doings of the Son are pleasing to the Father (John 8:29) and with the Unity of the Holy Spirit (Eph. 4:3) and as the eternal Mediator/High Priest of the Godkind to the created kind (1Cor. 8:6); the Eternal Mediator of the createdkinds to the Godkind (1Tim. 2:5-6), it is always from, through, and for Jesus Christ that the right relationship, communicatoins, and prayer are brought about and formed in all of reality.
Note: The word ONE in Hebrew and Greek has two meanings.
ONE in number or numerical one. (Yachid in Heb. & MONO in Greek)
Example: Heb. 10:14, For by ONE offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified; 2Cor. 11:24, From the Jews five times I received 40 stripes minus ONE.
ONE (composite one) in essence or class of being (Echad in Heb. and Eis in Greek)
Example: John 10:30,I and my Father are ONE; John 17:11, Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to you. Holy Father, keep through Your Name those whom You Have given Me, that they may be ONE as We are.
Dear Ronald,
Thank you for your email. Since you are seeking God with all of your
heart, and He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him (Heb.
11:6), I am attaching two Bible study outlines for your study and
review. I trust the Lord Jesus will send His Holy Spirit to you that
you will know Jesus Christ fully that the Father may be glorified int
he Son. (Phil. 2:9-11)
May the Lord Jesus bountifully bless you.
Bro Mar
Here are the two Bible Study Outlines:
Godhood of Jesus
WHO
IS THE SINGLE PERSON LORD GOD DIRECTLY APPEARING TO AND COVENANTING
WITH GOD
I am not with the JWs, however, in all the verses presented we find nothing about three persons in one God. That concept has to be imagined, assumed, added to, and read into, each and every scripture that is presented to allegedly prove the added-on concept that Jesus is his God.